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Old 06-15-2016, 08:29 AM   #1
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Post The EU referendum debate

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Old 06-15-2016, 08:59 AM   #2
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Old 06-15-2016, 10:15 AM   #3
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Dude.

Just, dude.

I guess the moral is: Showy Dipshits will dipshit showily. Or something. Now I've forgotten, as a defense mechanism.
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Old 06-15-2016, 10:17 AM   #4
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Oh the EU isn't working? I am shocked.
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Old 06-15-2016, 10:18 AM   #5
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It's the presence of joey Essex that makes the whole thing comically perfect, imho.
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Old 06-15-2016, 10:20 AM   #6
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Oh the EU isn't working? I am shocked.
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He's just angry cos he couldn't get in time for the boat race.
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:32 AM   #8
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I have to teach lessons on this shit to kids this week.

I fucking hate this debate. As far as I can tell it's a bunch of jerks (leave) talking shit while calmer people say normal things (stay).

Literally none of the arguments are cognizant:
1. We spend money (it gets returned to England)
2. The EU is undemocratic (so is the House of Lords)
3. The EU have too much power (it took, what? 22 years to agree on a definition of chocolate, which hardly indicates the EU is romping and stomping around)
4. Fuck immigrants (fuck you)

Argh can next Thursday just come and go already
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:53 AM   #9
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My local Conservative MP is campaigning for Brexit alongside someone from the Communist party. That's how deranged the whole thing is.
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Old 06-15-2016, 12:00 PM   #10
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You guys can always come hang out in the U.S. till it blows over

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Old 06-15-2016, 02:35 PM   #11
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Brexit...if it happens, all the British national football sides should be kicked out of UEFA.

Then they could establish a British football championship cup.

And then England would finally win something.

Another rational argument in favour of Brexit.
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:43 PM   #12
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3. The EU have too much power (it took, what? 22 years to agree on a definition of chocolate, which hardly indicates the EU is romping and stomping around)
Hey, Captain Morgan is a "rum-based spirit drink!"

Also, several years ago, I remember Romanians were in some trouble for performing their Christmas ritual of slaughtering of pigs.

A common foreign policy and defense force seem a little difficult, however.
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Not exactly the Duke of Medina vs. Drake, is it?
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:54 PM   #14
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Not exactly the Duke of Medina vs. Drake, is it?
Honestly, when I first heard about it on 'The World At One' I was like "Since when have The Onion had a slot on Radio 4?"
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If we were talking frigates with the odd man-o-war, I could see journalist justification for "flotilla."

But small fishing vessels and tugboats?
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Old 06-15-2016, 04:23 PM   #16
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If we were talking frigates with the odd man-o-war, I could see journalist justification for "flotilla."

But small fishing vessels and tugboats?
I particularly liked the line about 'impoverished fishermen'.

"I'm so poor I can afford to take a day off work to sail my massive fucking boat up the Thames"

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I don't understand this. Can someone explain WTF is going on? It looks like some people dislike the EU or large corporations?
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I don't understand this. Can someone explain WTF is going on? It looks like some people dislike the EU or large corporations?
Pending correction by UK forumites...

Part of it is history/geography/self-perception: Britain has always seen itself as part of European politics, but not completely "of" Europe in the continental sense, with a vigorous debate over how close Britain should get and what she should give up, if she expects to have a influential say in European affairs.

Bankers and "exporters" to the Common Market like easier trade access and lower transaction costs across borders. Nearly everyone is worried about higher costs of doing business outside the EU. Already markets are pricing in higher interest rates on loans to British companies. And the pound has depreciated as a currency. I'm not sure what's going on with unemployment rates as I haven't looked.

Every country in the EU has populations with substantial gripes about the loss of some amount of sovereignty to bureaucrats in Brussels and Strasbourg (laws, regulations) and EU courts. In addition, UKIP and fellow far right travelers can't stand substantial immigration inflows from countries like Poland and Lithuania, with all the "they're stealing our jerbs!" you'd expect. And there is always concern, not just in Britain, about tax payments that get redistributed in unequal ways (like the Common Agricultural Policy), when national institutions can't do anything about it.

The Conservative Party has always been historically split between those endorsing the EU for the economic benefits, versus those who prioritize total sovereignty (frankly, it often leaves the impression that many of them miss the Empire, and many often have no small amount of disdain for other nations/peoples). Compromise between those wings of the party is one of the major reasons Britain has kept the pound, rather than adopted the euro. Financial woes in Greece, Portugal, Spain, and more recently Italy, combined with the various tranches of EU bailout funds, have only added grist to the mill of those Tories who abhor the eurozone and who want to leave the EU altogether.

Plus, every country is concerned that the more countries you add to the EU, the more you dilute the voice of the existing members in every leading governmental body - the Commission, the Parliament, the Council. To the point that they've increasingly had to resort to arcane rules of majorities and supermajorities, and moved away from consensus where it existed.
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I don't understand this. Can someone explain WTF is going on? It looks like some people dislike the EU or large corporations?
A fairly sizeable part of British - well, English, people have always been anti-Continent. After winning the general election in 2015, David Cameron, the PM, agreed to have a referendum on leaving the EU, to appease the conservative MPs of his own party and the UKIP (UK Independence Party). If I remember correctly, that promise helped him to secure the win. Maybe. Cameron himself is and has been pro-EU, btw.

The Brexit people live in the time when the UK was ruling a vast empire where the sun never set, and automatically assume things will be better for the country when it can "decide for itself". The Bremain people are those who have different views.

Since no one really knows what the concrete effects will be, the campaigning on both sides has gone emotional.

My guess is that it could start a process where other EU nations (not all) would start looking for an exit as well. It would take a long time, though. Even more likely and definitely faster, it would break down the UK. I'm fairly sure Scotland would redo the independence referendum, vote yes, and seek to join (what will be left) of the EU.

I'm an IT guy who plays bass, so that's not a necessarily fully accurate analysis.

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The EU is the core of the One World Gubmint conspiracy and controlled by the illuminati. They want to regulate everything from the allowable height of a person to how many socks you can own. I read it on the Dark Web so I can't show you the proof here.
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The EU is the core of the One World Gubmint conspiracy and controlled by the illuminati. They want to regulate everything from the allowable height of a person to how many socks you can own. I read it on the Dark Web so I can't show you the proof here.
Now you gone done told everyone. Can't keep a secret.
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Only my closest friends and those who subscribe to my newsletter. I have to assume KK keeps this place clear of the proletariat.
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Whenever I see the words "Brexit" and "Bremain", I roll my eyes so hard it cavitates the inside of my skull.

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A fairly sizeable part of British - well, English, people have always been anti-Continent.
That's a bit unfair. Plenty of Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people on the Leave side. Last poll had Leave ahead in Scotland.

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Even more likely and definitely faster, it would break down the UK. I'm fairly sure Scotland would redo the independence referendum, vote yes, and seek to join (what will be left) of the EU.
Couldn't happen right now. Scotland doesn't have the resources to be financially independent. If they'd voted for independence in their referendum, they'd be screwed now due to the price of oil tanking.

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Let the tabloid overlords name your babies next, y'all.
This thread is the first place I have ever seen or heard the word 'Bremain'. Brexit is in common usage but most people are using Leave and Remain.
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That's a bit unfair. Plenty of Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people on the Leave side. Last poll had Leave ahead in Scotland.
Don't take me too seriously on these issues...think of me being like...Lee Mack on a panel show, not like someone voicing seriously pondered ideas with intellectual gravitas.

Having said that, there are 50 million English people, around 20 to 25m in favour of "leave", that's more than the total number of Scots, Welsh, and NIrons combined!


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Couldn't happen right now. Scotland doesn't have the resources to be financially independent. If they'd voted for independence in their referendum, they'd be screwed now due to the price of oil tanking.
Lots of people say Brexit can't happen for financial reasons. Lots of international investors are in London because of the language, and it being a gateway to EU. If it would not be that in future, they'd go somewhere else. I don't know about the French, but modern Germans would be more than happy to speak English to accommodate them.

Oil is still not free, and what would the future outlook for Scotland be either as a part of an isolated Britain vs a part of EU?

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This thread is the first place I have ever seen or heard the word 'Bremain'. Brexit is in common usage but most people are using Leave and Remain.
Seriously?

Feb 26

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/26/to-br...-question.html

Feb 26

http://www.wsj.com/articles/britains...ain-1456499551

First reference Jun 22, 2015

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Bremain

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http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...-eu-referendum
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Yes, seriously.

Two of those links are American. I never use Wiktionary but that seems to suggest it's only been used a handful of times as a direct comparison to Brexit. The only site I use on that list is The Guardian and I've never seen them use Bremain until clicking on that link.
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Yes, seriously.

Two of those links are American. I never use Wiktionary but that seems to suggest it's only been used a handful of times as a direct comparison to Brexit. The only site I use on that list is The Guardian and I've never seen them use Bremain until clicking on that link.
This was the first time I've used Wiktionary.

It is a buzzword, far less established than Brexit and very recent. I first saw it in The Times. Not this particular article, I haven't been a subscriber in a while, it might've been in April.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ec...agon-7rbtc77cx

The Metro has used it as well:

http://metro.co.uk/2016/04/30/brexit...-poll-5851366

This lot goes further and refers to "Bremainers"

http://m.thisislocallondon.co.uk/new...on_exhibition
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All these links don't change the fact I've never heard it before, Mikko
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