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Old 01-17-2017, 04:00 PM   #1
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Chelsea Manning: majority of prison sentence commuted by Obama

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Chelsea Manning, the US army soldier who became one of the most prominent whistleblowers in modern times when she exposed the nature of modern warfare in Iraq and Afghanistan, and who then went on to pay the price with a 35-year military prison sentence, is to be freed in May as a gift of outgoing president Barack Obama.

In the most audacious – and contentious – commutation decision to come from Obama yet, the sitting president used his constitutional power just three days before he leaves the White House to give Manning her freedom. She will walk from the military prison in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, on 17 May, almost seven years to the day since she was arrested in a base outside Baghdad for offenses relating to the leaking of a vast trove of US state secrets.

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I have to wonder if he would have done this for a whistle blower that was not transgender.
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You mean a cistle blower?
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I have to wonder if he would have done this for a whistle blower that was not transgender.
I wonder the same thing, but we'll never know.

Well, unless he comes out and actually says "I pardoned her because she's transgender. I wanted to do something for the transgender community but had to wait for the right opportunity. I certainly didn't want to waste a favor on that self-absorbed douchebag Caitlyn Jenner."

I find lame duck pardons and commutations interesting. The worst ones I can remember were Bill Clinton's. I thought George W. Bush was going to pull out some whammies, but he really didn't do anything too bad.
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I wonder the same thing, but we'll never know.

Well, unless he comes out and actually says "I pardoned her because she's transgender. I wanted to do something for the transgender community but had to wait for the right opportunity. I certainly didn't want to waste a favor on that self-absorbed douchebag Caitlyn Jenner."

I find lame duck pardons and commutations interesting. The worst ones I can remember were Bill Clinton's. I thought George W. Bush was going to pull out some whammies, but he really didn't do anything too bad.
Well, yeah. Bill pardoned everyone involved in his illegal business dealings over the years.

I seriously hope Obama empties our prisons of drug offenders but I don't think the legal mechanism is there to say "Commute every non-violent drug offender in prison".

Would be great though.
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...and Snowden.
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Paul Ryan has apparently been utterly triggered by this



Which leads me to wonder if it wasn't just pro-level trolling by the outgoing WH administration.
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Which leads me to wonder if it wasn't just pro-level trolling by the outgoing WH administration.
I hope Ryan has an aneurism.

There is some talk that if mManning was pardoned, Assange would be willingly extradited to the US. I heard this on right-wing radio, so it must be true.
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Absolutely freaking not.

Manning at least willingly submitted to the justice system. And got a sentence far higher than any other leaker has.
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Nuts - that one used to be free access.

Here's a reproduction of it from Australia. I'm not 100% sure it's complete, but it looks pretty close.
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Does anyone else look at the black and white picture of Manning and see a bit of post-all plastic surgeries/procedures Michael Jackson in the face?
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She was the only one to use the wrong pronouns. I don't know anything about her. Will that have been deliberate?
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It will have been deliberate. He knew what he was doing.
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Here's a reproduction of it from Australia. I'm not 100% sure it's complete, but it looks pretty close.
That one is requiring a subscription too.
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Zamfir is just doing the glengarry glen ross thing and keeping the information to himself.
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original title I think was "The Fable of Edward Snowden"

Edward Jay Epstein
12:00AM January 3, 2017

Of all the lies Edward Snowden has told since his massive theft of secrets from the National Security Agency and his journey to Russia via Hong Kong in 2013, none is more provocative than the claim that he never intended to engage in espionage, and was only a “whistleblower” seeking to expose the overreach of the NSA’s information gathering.

With the clock ticking on Snowden’s chance of a pardon, now is a good time to review what we have learned about his real mission.

Snowden’s theft of America’s most closely guarded communication secrets occurred in May 2013, according to the criminal complaint filed against him by federal prosecutors the following month. At the time Snowden was a 29-year-old technologist working as an analyst-in-training for the consulting firm of Booz Allen Hamilton at the regional base of the NSA in Oahu, Hawaii.

On May 20, about six weeks after his job began, he failed to show up for work, telling his supervisor he was being tested for *epilepsy in hospital. Snowden was not even in Hawaii. He was in Hong Kong, where he had flown with a cache of secret data stolen from the NSA.

As became clear during my *investigation over three years, nearly every element of the narrative Snowden has provided, reiterated in Oliver Stone’s 2016 movie, Snowden, is demonstrably false.

This narrative began soon after Snowden arrived in Hong Kong, where he arranged to meet with documentary filmmaker Laura Poitras and Glenn Greenwald, a Brazil-based blogger for The Guardian. Both journalists were longtime critics of NSA surveillance with whom Snowden had been in contact for four months.

To provide them with scoops discrediting NSA operations, Snowden culled several thousand documents out of his huge cache of stolen material, including two explosive documents he asked them to use in their initial stories. One was the secret order from America’s Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court requiring Verizon to turn over to the NSA billing records for its phone users in the US. The other was an NSA slide presentation detailing its ability to intercept communications of non-American users of the internet via a joint program with the FBI codenamed Prism.

These documents were published in 2013 on June 5 and 6, *followed by a video in which Snowden identified himself as the leaker and a whistleblower.

At the heart of Snowden’s narrative was his claim that while he may have incidentally “touched” other data in his search of NSA files, he took only documents that exposed NSA malfeasance and gave them all to journalists.

A secret damage assessment done by the NSA and Pentagon told a very different story. According to a unanimous report declassified on December 22 by the house permanent select committee on intelligence, the investigation showed Snowden had “removed” 1.5 million documents. That huge number was based on, among other evidence, electronic logs that recorded the selection, copying and moving of files.

The number of purloined documents is more than NSA officials were willing to say in 2013 about the removal of data. But even just taking into account the material Snowden handed over to journalists, the December House report concluded that he compromised “secrets that protect American troops overseas and secrets that provide vital defences against *terrorists and nation-states”. These were, the report said, “merely the tip of the iceberg”.

The Pentagon’s 2013-14 investigation employed hundreds of military intelligence officers, working around the clock to *review all 1.5 million documents. Most had nothing to do with domestic surveillance or whistle *blowing.

They were mainly military *secrets, as general Martin Dempsey, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, testified before the House Armed Services Committee on March 6, 2014.

It was not the quantity of Snowden’s theft but the quality that was most telling. Snowden’s theft put documents at risk that could *reveal the NSA’s Level 3 tool kit — a reference to documents containing the agency’s most important sources and methods. Since the NSA was created in 1952, Russia and other adversary nations had been trying to penetrate its Level-3 secrets without great success.

Yet it was precisely those secrets Snowden changed jobs to steal. In an interview with Hong Kong’s South China Morning Post on June 15, 2013, he said he sought to work on a Booz Allen contract at the CIA, even at reduced pay, because it gave him access to secret lists of computers that the NSA was tapping into around the world.

He evidently succeeded. In a 2014 Vanity Fair interview, Richard Ledgett, the NSA executive who headed the damage-*assessment team, said one file taken by Snowden, if it fell into the wrong hands, provided a “road map” to what were the NSA’s *targets abroad. It contained the *requests made by the 17 US services in the intelligence community for NSA interceptions abroad.

On June 23, less than two weeks after Snowden released the video that helped present his *narrative, he left Hong Kong and flew to Moscow, where he received protection by the Russian government. In much of the media coverage that followed, the ultimate destination of these stolen secrets was fogged over by unverified claims Snowden was spoon*feeding to handpicked journalists.

Snowden always claimed he was a conscientious whistleblower who turned over all the stolen NSA material to journalists in Hong Kong. He has insisted he had no intention of defecting to Russia but was on his way to Latin America when he was trapped in Russia by the US government *attempting to demonise him.

In October 2014, he told the editor of the Nation, “I’m in exile. My government revoked my passport intentionally to leave me *exiled” and “chose to keep me in Russia”. According to Snowden, the US government accomplished this entrapment by suspending his passport while he was in midair after he departed Hong Kong on June 23, thus forcing him into the hands of President Vladimir Putin’s regime.

None of this is true. The State Department invalidated Snowden’s passport while he was still in Hong Kong, not after he left for Moscow on June 23. The “Consul- General Hong Kong confirmed that Hong Kong authorities were notified that Mr Snowden’s passport was revoked June 22,” according to the State Department’s senior watch officer.

Snowden could not have been unaware of the government’s pursuit of him, since the criminal complaint against him, which was filed June 14, had been headline news in Hong Kong. That the US acted against him while he was still in Hong Kong is of great importance to the timeline because it points to the direct involvement of Aeroflot, an airline the Russian government effectively controls.

Aeroflot bypassed its normal procedures to allow Snowden to board the Moscow flight — even though he had neither a valid passport nor a Russian visa, as his lawyer Anatoly Kucherena said on July 12, 2013.

By falsely claiming his passport was invalidated after the plane *departed Hong Kong Snowden hoped to conceal this extraordinary waiver. The Russian government further revealed its helping hand, judging by a report in the *Izvestia newspaper, when Snowden was taken off the plane by a *security team in a “special operation”. Putin authorised this assistance after Snowden met with Russian officials in Hong Kong, as Putin admitted in a televised press conference on September 2, 2013.

To provide a smokescreen for Snowden’s escape from Hong Kong, WikiLeaks booked a dozen or more diversionary flights to other destinations for him.

WikiLeaks co-founder Julian Assange dispatched his deputy Sarah Harrison to Hong Kong to pay Snowden’s expenses and *escort him to Moscow. In short, Snowden’s arrival in Moscow was neither accidental nor the work of the US government.

Snowden asserts he came to Russia not only empty-handed but without access to any of the stolen material. He wrote in Vanity Fair in 2014 that he had destroyed all of it before arriving in Moscow.

This claim is also untrue. It is belied by two Kremlin insiders who were in a position to know what Snowden actually brought with him to Moscow. One of them, Frants Klintsevich, was the first deputy chairman of the defence and security committee of the Duma (Russia’s parliament) at the time of Snowden’s defection. “Let’s be frank,” Klintsevich said in a taped interview with NPR in June last year, “Mr Snowden did share intelligence. This is what *security services do.”

The other insider was Anatoly Kucherena, a Moscow lawyer and Putin’s friend. Kucherena served as the intermediary between Snowden and Russian authorities. On September 23, 2013, Kucherena gave a long interview to Sophie Shevardnadze, a journalist for Russia Today television.

Kucherena said Snowden had only given “some” of the NSA’s documents in his possession to journalists in Hong Kong. “So he (Snowden) does have some materials that haven’t been made public yet?” Shevardnadze asked. “Certainly,” Kucherena replied.

This disclosure filled in a crucial piece of the puzzle. It explained why NSA files Snowden had *copied, but had not given to the journalists in Hong Kong — such as the revelation about the NSA targeting the mobile phone of German Chancellor Angela Merkel — continued to surface after Snowden arrived in Moscow, along with NSA files released via WikiLeaks.

Snowden claims he was neither debriefed by nor even met with any Russian government official after he arrived in Moscow. But *according to the US House *Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence report, Snowden “has had, and continues to have, *contact with Russian intelligence services”. This finding is consistent with Russian debriefing practices, as described by the former KGB officers I spoke to in Moscow

Snowden also claimed in Moscow in December 2013 to have *secrets in his head, including “access to every target, every active operation. Full lists of them.” Could Snowden’s Russian hosts ignore such an opportunity after Putin had authorised his exfiltration to Moscow? Snowden, with no exit options, was in the palm of their hands. Under such circumstances, as Klintsevich said in his NPR interview: “If there’s a possibility to get information, they (the Russian intelligence services) will get it.”

Russian intelligence uses a single umbrella term to cover anyone who delivers it secret intelligence. Whether a person acted out of idealistic motives, sold information for money or remained clueless of the role he or she played in the transfer of secrets — the provider of secret data is considered an “espionage source”. By any measure, it is a job description that fits Snowden.

Edward Jay Epstein’s book, “How America Lost Its Secrets: Edward Snowden, the Man and the Theft”, will be published this month.


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She was the only one to use the wrong pronouns. I don't know anything about her. Will that have been deliberate?
100%. She's a walking, talking regressive stereotype.
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Huh. I guess I'm torn now. On one hand, unwarranted NSA spying really bums me out. On the other hand, unwarranted KGB spying bums me out too.
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the United States would have acted just as Russia did to get their hands on that level of intelligence though. Any country would.
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