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Old 08-10-2010, 07:33 AM   #1
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"learning" the neck

This was mentioned in Mow's thread about his guitarist and a scale-sheet.

I do not know all the fretted notes on my neck... mainly because I'm a punk-rock hack of a bass player. I use several sound/memory fills and walks.

How did the "learned" of you learn???
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Old 08-10-2010, 07:36 AM   #2
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(from another punk-rock hack of a bass player)
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Old 08-10-2010, 07:36 AM   #3
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Old 08-10-2010, 07:46 AM   #4
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Old 08-10-2010, 07:50 AM   #5
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i taught myself to play bass by drawing a fretboard and writing the notes in. i hung it on the wall.

remember, you only have 13 notes to remember!, also, obviously, it all starts over at the 12th fret.

remember the fith fret of a string is the open string abover it....
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i taught myself to play bass by drawing a fretboard and writing the notes in. i hung it on the wall.

remember, you only have 13 notes to remember!, also, obviously, it all starts over at the 12th fret.

remember the fith fret of a string is the open string abover it....
i did the drawing it out thing a few times and it seemed to help a little. for me, though, it was more about repetition. so i drew it like 10 times
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Old 08-10-2010, 07:54 AM   #7
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Modal theory is the best way to learn the neck, as well as significant portion of applicable theory.

Best thing is that modal theory is really, really, really easy.

In fact: I find it hard to believe people don't know it. No offence meant I just couldn't do without it.
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Modal theory is the best way to learn the neck, as well as significant portion of applicable theory.

Best thing is that modal theory is really, really, really easy.
and modal theory is???
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Old 08-10-2010, 07:56 AM   #10
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I was lucky enough to be sucked into a school system where music education was important in 4th grade. They held an assembly, demonstrated the instruments of the string section of an orchestra, gave a simple aptitude test to all the assembled kids and asked which instrument we'd like to play if we could (I chose the biggest one ), and a couple of weeks later someone came to the class, read a couple of names off, took us to a room and there were the instruments. This led to my love of music and pursuing it through college helped. I haven't had to sight read in over 20 years, but I still can if I need to... I don't know all the notes on my fretboard at a glance either, but can quickly figure it out either by counting from the 5th, 12th or 17th frets...
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Old 08-10-2010, 07:56 AM   #11
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E F F# G G# A A# B C C# D D#
A A# B C C# D D# E F F# G G#
D D# E F F# G G# A A# B C C#
G G# A A# B C C# D D# E F F#

there you go.

pretty easy, right?
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Old 08-10-2010, 08:00 AM   #12
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I learned the modes way back in the day and learned how to read jazz charts for the high school jazz band. I also spent time working on my sight reading by playing trombone parts on the bass, just for fun.(band geek)

I keep those tools sharp these days by playing songs in different positions than normal to keep the fretboard map fresh. It also helps when I break a string. Being in a cover band last year where I had to learn songs on the fly and read from cobbled together chord charts definitely improved my knowledge of the fretboard and made me a better player.
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Old 08-10-2010, 08:01 AM   #13
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and modal theory is???
Learn the Greek Scales and you're good.
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i taught myself to play bass by drawing a fretboard and writing the notes in. i hung it on the wall.

I did the same sort of thing when I first started out. I would draw the neck with the notes every night before bed until it finally sunk in.

What really helped me was playing with others who had been playing for a long time. I think that I would have learned a lot faster if I hadn't used tab as a crutch when I first started out
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and modal theory is???
This is the easiest way for me to explain it, but I'm sure my explanation has a few faults. So I'll explain the way I use it.

Essentially, it's a system that allows you to understand how all the notes of any scale can be played in various positions on the entire fretboard.

So, If we're in G minor start the scale at B flat and play all the notes of the G minor starting from B flat. Suddenly you can play the same 8 notes in a 'new position' and it can be applied to the whole neck.

Best thing is: for most Western Music there are 7 positions to learn and you can play any song, in any position, throughout the whole neck.

Simple, quick to learn and easy. In fact, were you around these parts I'm confident I could teach you within 1 hour to play what I'm talking about.
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D D# E F F# G G# A A# B C C#
G G# A A# B C C# D D# E F F#

there you go.

pretty easy, right?
Except all those sharps could also be flats depending on the key. F#/Gb, G#/Ab, etc.
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I did the same sort of thing when I first started out. I would draw the neck with the notes every night before bed until it finally sunk in.
I find that the long way round. You know the note names, but not their sounds, or their relative sounds (What they sound like after other notes). The sound of the notes is important to me, their names are, often, irrelevant.

I guess if you're concerned about not knowing where an 'A' is, then my answer is useless and difficult to master.

If you actually want to get a better grasp of playing more intricate and original patterns and need a place to start developing your ear I'd recommend trying it.
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Old 08-10-2010, 08:10 AM   #18
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Like boalg and others, I just wrote out the notes on the neck until I had them down. I still have to think from time to time, but can find the note quickly. I also took a music theory class at the college where I work a few years ago. Once I'm done with school next year, improving my knowledge of theory is on my to-do list.
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I am still expanding the region that I am comfortable with... And have often used this diagram from the Wikipedia article on bass guitar... (Being a classic rock, rock, country, HACK...)



I try to add a few more notes / patterns when I can...
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Old 08-10-2010, 08:51 AM   #20
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I took lessons when I first started playing, and got a rudimentary base of music theory. When I got back into seriously playing I fell back on that, and I just messed around alot. I would use octave notes alot to try to come up with more interested bass lines that weren't just on the E and A string. Also, if you ever get to mess around with an upright, I had to find different positions to play some of my band's songs in with the upright than I would on the electric, so I got super familiar with all the notes above the 5th fret.

But mainly just practice practice practice.
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I learned by practicing scales, and saying the notes to myself in my head as I hit them. That was along time ago, but I remember where everything is.
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I found this website very helpful after switching to a 6 string.

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there you go.

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That's good, but where are all the flat notes?
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I find that the long way round. You know the note names, but not their sounds, or their relative sounds (What they sound like after other notes). The sound of the notes is important to me, their names are, often, irrelevant.

I guess if you're concerned about not knowing where an 'A' is, then my answer is useless and difficult to master.

If you actually want to get a better grasp of playing more intricate and original patterns and need a place to start developing your ear I'd recommend trying it.

I don't know man it worked for me, and one of the most talented bass players around
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That's good, but where are all the flat notes?
they're there.
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they're there.
But where? The sharp notes are OK, they're good for heavy metal. But if I want to play blues, I need the flat notes.
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I learned through repetition. I never drew the neck, but I new the basics behind how to find notes on the neck and eventually it just sunk in and I didn't need to find them, I just knew them.

When I am actually playing, I don't think about actual note names at all. I think intervals and passing tones. If a song's verse uses G - C - D, when I'm playing I'm thinking I - IV - V, and the fills are a combination of the key of the song (G major in this example) and the notes that form the current chord.
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I learned through repetition. I never drew the neck, but I new the basics behind how to find notes on the neck and eventually it just sunk in and I didn't need to find them, I just knew them.
Though a little rusty ATM if you pop quizzed me, I basically know all the notes on the neck for the same reason.

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When I am actually playing, I don't think about actual note names at all. I think intervals and passing tones. If a song's verse uses G - C - D, when I'm playing I'm thinking I - IV - V, and the fills are a combination of the key of the song (G major in this example) and the notes that form the current chord.
And here's where the disconnect begins. You know you are playing G-C-D, so start thinking of the fills in the I-IV-V to go with G Major. Me? I wonder how the hell you knew any of this and are able to apply it on the fly in any usable context.
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