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Old 05-03-2011, 03:30 PM   #1
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Barts in a J bass

Who has Barts in their J bass?

Mr. Nyswonger, I seem to remember that you perhaps might?


I am unhappy with the MIJ pups in the fretless i just built. Gigged with it last week and found the tonal options to be yucky. I like the Barts in my 5 string fretless.
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Old 05-03-2011, 03:31 PM   #2
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what PUs did you install?
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Old 05-03-2011, 03:33 PM   #3
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what PUs did you install?
Fender MIJ pups & pots- got em used on ebay, they might be fucked
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Old 05-03-2011, 03:33 PM   #4
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I had Barts in my 5 string Jazz. Loved it!! Rescued the anemic B string somewhat, big fat bass tones all around. I wired in a Series/Parallel switch which was good for a nice bass boost in series when I needed it, the overall tone is a little dark, not murky, but not chimey bell-like.

I found they tamed the inherent jazz brightness just a touch. Probably the best tone I've heard in a passive Fender Jazz.
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I had them in the Schecter California Custom Jazz I had. I liked them.

I still prefer a more taditional Jazz tone like Fralins, but they sounded really good. just a bit more modern.
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When I think "Jazz Bass", I think low-output singles and high-end clarity. Let the amp do the work.

Barts bring the mud
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Old 05-03-2011, 03:40 PM   #7
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I had Barts in my 5 string Jazz. Loved it!! Rescued the anemic B string somewhat, big fat bass tones all around. I wired in a Series/Parallel switch which was good for a nice bass boost in series when I needed it, the overall tone is a little dark, not murky, but not chimey bell-like.

I found they tamed the inherent jazz brightness just a touch. Probably the best tone I've heard in a passive Fender Jazz.
yeah, the Barts in my 5 er sound fat too... but they're soapbars. Is the tone like a trad J tone but fatter?


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Old 05-03-2011, 03:41 PM   #8
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I've had Barts in a MIA jazz bass for about 15 years. Great pickups.
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Old 05-03-2011, 03:53 PM   #9
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When I think "Jazz Bass", I think low-output singles and high-end clarity. Let the amp do the work.

Barts bring the mud
I wouldn't say mud, but they are darker. I'm finding that I love playing jazz basses, but the pickups tend to be bright to my ears, I appreciate the added darkness, it balances them out better for what I want to hear.

They say tone is in the hands, well my hands are very harsh or bright, especially so on a Jazz. I tend to roll off the tone trying to tame it, but it's not really the right frequencies, etc so have to work the amp more to get where I want to be. With the Barts I was there, tone wide open, ready to roll.

The pups I got from you aren't dark enough, I need to do some EQ'ing still, which is why I am still debating the Audere for it.
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yeah , the MIJs i put are nothing but bright, the bottom is sorely lacking
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yeah , the MIJs i put are nothing but bright, the bottom is sorely lacking
Alnico or ceramic magnets?


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Alnico or ceramic magnets?


If they're alnico, I know a guy that will take them off your hands
I have no idea. The ends that poke up thru the plastic covering have a metallic look to them.
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I wouldn't say mud, but they are darker. I'm finding that I love playing jazz basses, but the pickups tend to be bright to my ears, I appreciate the added darkness, it balances them out better for what I want to hear.

They say tone is in the hands, well my hands are very harsh or bright, especially so on a Jazz. I tend to roll off the tone trying to tame it, but it's not really the right frequencies, etc so have to work the amp more to get where I want to be. With the Barts I was there, tone wide open, ready to roll.

The pups I got from you aren't dark enough, I need to do some EQ'ing still, which is why I am still debating the Audere for it.
I switched to DR Nickel Lo-Riders and never looked back. I love stainless Hi-Beams for Precision, but the nickels work for me on a Jazz.
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I have no idea. The ends that poke up thru the plastic covering have a metallic look to them.
The best way to tell is to look at the bottom of the pickups. Ceramic pickups will have a bar magnet glued on there, and alnicos will not (just a flat plastic bottom)
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Old 05-03-2011, 04:10 PM   #15
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I love the barts, but mine's a PJ...so I don't know about the stock J/J setup.

I can't help but think they'd be an improvement, though. They tend to be fat, warm, and not brittle if that helps.
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I love Barts on a J, mostly because it doesn't sound like a J anymore.
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Old 05-03-2011, 04:17 PM   #17
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The best way to tell is to look at the bottom of the pickups. Ceramic pickups will have a bar magnet glued on there, and alnicos will not (just a flat plastic bottom)
I dont recall a magnet on the bottom
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I switched to DR Nickel Lo-Riders and never looked back. I love stainless Hi-Beams for Precision, but the nickels work for me on a Jazz.
Strings are another thing I am experimenting with, on the fretless at least, in an attempt to tone it down a little.
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I love Barts on a J, mostly because it doesn't sound like a J anymore.

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Old 05-04-2011, 07:24 AM   #20
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I love Barts on a J, mostly because it doesn't sound like a J anymore.
I disagree.
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Old 05-04-2011, 09:18 AM   #21
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Modulus used to exclusively put them in their VJs, IIRC, and do so in their FB4 JJ models. I like 'em a lot. I basically share Frenchie's sentiment- it's the only type of "J" sound I like!
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Old 05-04-2011, 09:23 AM   #22
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well, I actually like the tone of my hybrid fretted j... its got MIA fender pups-- its got a nice bottom to it and not too brittle when i roll the tone down to 3/4... but it also has 500 k pots... maybe thats the issue with these MIJ pups, I have 250k pots
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If I were you, I'd just get some Fralins and be done with it.
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I had an MIM Fender Deluxe V Jazz with Barts and a John East BTB-01 preamp at one time. It was a solid sound for sure, but I also tend to prefer the more traditional tone. I'd say Bob's description of "fat, warm, and not brittle" seems accurate.
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If I were you, I'd just get some Fralins and be done with it.
If they didnt cost twice as much as a set of barts I would consider it.
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I had an MIM Fender Deluxe V Jazz with Barts and a John East BTB-01 preamp at one time. It was a solid sound for sure, but I also tend to prefer the more traditional tone. I'd say Bob's description of "fat, warm, and not brittle" seems accurate.
This is the exact bass of which I spoke, less the preamp.
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If they didnt cost twice as much as a set of barts I would consider it.
At least the Fralins are actually Jazz pickups
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So are Barts
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If they didnt cost twice as much as a set of barts I would consider it.
Why would cost matter? They're completely opposite sounding pickups. Shouldn't you be picking a pickup by sound first, and price second?
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If they didnt cost twice as much as a set of barts I would consider it.
You might want to consider the Dimarzio Ultra Jazz pickups.
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