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Old 07-12-2017, 11:42 AM   #4291
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Former Johnson County Deputy Robert G. Retford pleaded guilty to a charge of 3rd degree sexual assault. He was sentenced to 6 years probation. The negotiated plea came Thursday, May 4. 2017.

Retford had been arrested on the sexual assault charge in November 2016. That month, the prosecutor told 40/29 News Retford could spend up to 10 years in prison if convicted.

During the second week of September 2016, Shanna says, two Johnson County deputies showed up at her home for a domestic dispute. Shanna says she was arguing with her boyfriend and a neighbor, when someone called police.

She says Deputy Robert Retford offered to take her away from the situation. She says she got into his patrol car and they drove away. She told investigators that while they were in the car, he put his hands in her pants and made her touch him over his pants.

After that happened, she says Retford took her to a hotel in Clarksville. She said he didn’t stay at the hotel with her, but gave her his card with his name and number on it and told her to call him. The next morning, she called him from the lobby. She told officers that Retford picked her up while he was on duty and took her to her friend's house.

That's where she says Retford assaulted her with either a flashlight or his police baton. Then, Shanna says, the deputy raped her and urinated on her.

"After that he made me drink his urine," Shanna said."He told me to enjoy being covered in his ****, that's what he said."
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Old 07-13-2017, 02:26 AM   #4292
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Florida cops pull over car driven by black woman.

Turns out the woman is the State Attorney.

When she asks cop why he pulled her over, he sputters out incoherent nonsense about her tags. When she asks why he even ran her tags in the first place, he rapid fires three different, week-old-fish level reasons, sounding like an 8-year old explaining to his parents why his homework isn't done.

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Florida cops pull over car driven by black woman.

Turns out the woman is the State Attorney.

When she asks cop why he pulled her over, he sputters out incoherent nonsense about her tags. When she asks why he even ran her tags in the first place, he rapid fires three different, week-old-fish level reasons, sounding like an 8-year old explaining to his parents why his homework isn't done.

That must have been really stressful and frightening for those officers, being forced to be accountable to a minority female like that, and make up bullshit on the spot in order to not be punished.
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Old 07-13-2017, 10:19 AM   #4294
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You simply get used to that exercise of power, no longer caring about legitimacy of the stop. This cop got busted, but how many times has he done the exact same thing to other motorists and simply gotten away with it?

I think most of us who post in this thread have been lied to by police officers. I remember parking in a "10 minute only" zone at a University. I put my flashers on (as the sign stated), ran inside, and was back out in about 5-6 minutes... well under the time limit. Well, there was a campus cop writing me a ticket. He looked shocked when I approached - I think he hoped he could write the ticket, stick it on my windshield and drive away. He stammered "...sorry, I've got to give you this ticket, you were here for like 20 minutes..." I was about to pull out my cell phone and demonstrate just how long I was there and call him on his bald-faced lie, but immediately thought better of it. I just paid the paltry ticket (it was only like $20) and moved on.

That's insignificant to what other people face, however. I'm guessing a lot of folks just take the cornholing, knowing that there's no efficient, cost-effective, or just system through which to fight such things. My ticket was nothing, but what about people who get pulled over multiple times for BS reasons and start piling up tickets they can't afford to pay? Traffic tickets here in MN (and I assume elsewhere) have gotten and are getting increasingly expensive. Even if someone does get a bogus ticket, can they afford to take a half-day or a whole day off work to go down to the packed courthouse where they may or may not even get in front of a judge?
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Old 07-13-2017, 02:56 PM   #4296
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That must have been really stressful and frightening for those officers, being forced to be accountable to a minority female like that, and make up bullshit on the spot in order to not be punished.
Well, I'm just glad that every single incident we've discussed in this 4000+ post thread is and isolated one and that there isn't a broader trend with which we need to be concerned.
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You simply get used to that exercise of power, no longer caring about legitimacy of the stop. This cop got busted, but how many times has he done the exact same thing to other motorists and simply gotten away with it?

I think most of us who post in this thread have been lied to by police officers. I remember parking in a "10 minute only" zone at a University. I put my flashers on (as the sign stated), ran inside, and was back out in about 5-6 minutes... well under the time limit. Well, there was a campus cop writing me a ticket. He looked shocked when I approached - I think he hoped he could write the ticket, stick it on my windshield and drive away. He stammered "...sorry, I've got to give you this ticket, you were here for like 20 minutes..." I was about to pull out my cell phone and demonstrate just how long I was there and call him on his bald-faced lie, but immediately thought better of it. I just paid the paltry ticket (it was only like $20) and moved on.

That's insignificant to what other people face, however. I'm guessing a lot of folks just take the cornholing, knowing that there's no efficient, cost-effective, or just system through which to fight such things. My ticket was nothing, but what about people who get pulled over multiple times for BS reasons and start piling up tickets they can't afford to pay? Traffic tickets here in MN (and I assume elsewhere) have gotten and are getting increasingly expensive. Even if someone does get a bogus ticket, can they afford to take a half-day or a whole day off work to go down to the packed courthouse where they may or may not even get in front of a judge?
Lately, the traffic court has been separating the "not guilty's" from the other pleas and moving them to the following day do to "court congestion". You can count on 2 days off to actually fight a ticket.
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Lately, the traffic court has been separating the "not guilty's" from the other pleas and moving them to the following day do to "court congestion". You can count on 2 days off to actually fight a ticket.
People who aren't thieves call that "extortion".
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US police officers have shot dead an Australian woman who reportedly called 911 after hearing a noise near her home in Minneapolis.

Minnesota’s public safety department said a woman was shot in Minneapolis after two officers responded to a callout about a possible assault on Saturday at 11.30pm local time. The police officers did not have their body cameras turned on.

The woman has been named as Justine Damond, who ran meditation workshops at the Lake Harriet Spiritual Community. Damond, originally Justine Ruszczyk, used the name of the man she was due to marry in August, Don Damond, the local Star Tribune reported.
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Yeah, I heard that last night. Sounds like a terrible situation. The cops had body cameras but they weren't turned on. We'll have to see how this unfolds.
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Yeah, I heard that last night. Sounds like a terrible situation. The cops had body cameras but they weren't turned on. We'll have to see how this unfolds.
From history, I suspect "no-billed" is how it will likely unfold.
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Yeah, I heard that last night. Sounds like a terrible situation. The cops had body cameras but they weren't turned on. We'll have to see how this unfolds.
It is astounding how many departments get away with not turning on body cams and (especially) never releasing footage. The LAPD is running super hard with the argument it's "evidence in an on-going investigation" - well at some point it's not, so release it to the public then.

It's almost like they're trying to avoid accountability or something.

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From history, I suspect "no-billed" is how it will likely unfold.
Given how rarely grand juries no-bill non-cop related complaints (I've seen rates of like 99.6% granting the prosecutorial recommendation), I wonder what percentage of no-bills are with police defendants.
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Just as a counterpoint, 9 news is doing a piece on the primary officers involved with the Aurora Theater Shooting. It's the 5 year anniversary.

My singer is one of the 8 interviewed.

WARNING: You might see l a little bit of a different side to police officers.

http://www.9news.com/mb/news/local/a...cers/456506178
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It is astounding how many departments get away with not turning on body cams and (especially) never releasing footage. The LAPD is running super hard with the argument it's "evidence in an on-going investigation" - well at some point it's not, so release it to the public then.

It's almost like they're trying to avoid accountability or something.


Given how rarely grand juries no-bill non-cop related complaints (I've seen rates of like 99.6% granting the prosecutorial recommendation), I wonder what percentage of no-bills are with police defendants.
Perhaps, but you have to take into account that these are all isolated incidents.
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Perhaps, but you have to take into account that these are all isolated incidents.
Good point.
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Just as a counterpoint, 9 news is doing a piece on the primary officers involved with the Aurora Theater Shooting. It's the 5 year anniversary.

My singer is one of the 8 interviewed.

WARNING: You might see l a little bit of a different side to police officers.

http://www.9news.com/mb/news/local/a...cers/456506178
Great link. Even though I spam this thread with bad cop news articles, I've always maintained that the majority of police officers are decent people. I also think that many of them do a very good job in a stressful environment, and I completely understand how the "thin blue line" develops. I experienced it as well, albeit to a lesser extent, when I was a corrections officer for a decade.

Saying that "most cops are good" and "there's a systemic problem within our police forces" aren't mutually exclusive. You can have persistent and pervasive issues while still having good people on the force. It's more about the system overall than it is about the individual, although obviously there are some rotten people with badges.
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Saying that "most cops are good" and "there's a systemic problem within our police forces" aren't mutually exclusive. You can have persistent and pervasive issues while still having good people on the force.
That this gets lost is frustrating to me. Let's say 95% of cops are perfect - that's very much "most." However, if 5% of cops are regularly violating civil rights, that's a *GIGANTIC* issue.
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So that's around 800,000 people in positions of public authority. 5% would be 40,000. I'd also be willing to wager that number is also higher than it was a decade ago, especially when you consider that federal employees aren't counted and the DHS budget gets fatter every year.

And then considering that police are generally employed over periods of years... that's a lot of opportunity for shenanigans.
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That this gets lost is frustrating to me. Let's say 95% of cops are perfect - that's very much "most." However, if 5% of cops are regularly violating civil rights, that's a *GIGANTIC* issue.
Not only that, but a good chunk of the 95% will come to the defense of the 5% as a reflex response. Or cover the 5%'s tracks for them. That's where the thin blue like shit pisses me off.

But there are some really great people doing that job. I couldn't do it. I did firefighting and EMS when I was younger, but I'm not built to be a cop.
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Not only that, but a good chunk of the 95% will come to the defense of the 5% as a reflex response. Or cover the 5%'s tracks for them. That's where the thin blue like shit pisses me off.
There's definitely some of that, but I do understand the culture in ways that (I'm guessing) a lot of folks cannot. You're operating in a system that fosters an us-versus-them mentality and it's a natural response. As corrections officers, everything we did was on paper (reports) and video. If anything went wrong or if something exposed the state to a lawsuit, the administration would go through the actions of officers - most of time folks who did absolutely nothing wrong - with a fine toothed comb. They'd identify some picayune and minuscule policy violation (that may or may not even be true) and seek to place blame. The whole reason I got involved in the union at first was to try to fight back against the waves of illegitimate discipline my coworkers faced on a regular basis. Part of the thin blue line comes from the institutional hierarchy and how the cops at the bottom shoulder the blame. Again, it's the whole structure that needs change - it irritates me when you see a former police chief get on the news and decry the thin blue line, when in fact you know he/she was directly responsible for creating that environment in the first place.

I also don't agree that all cops will cover for bad ones. I think that's true often enough, but it's certainly not universal. The other officer involved in the recent Castille shooting gave what seemed to be a reasonable and unbiased testimony - neither side attacked it as being unreliable.

Also, the issue of "good cops need to do something about bad cops" is flawed. What if you're in a small department that doesn't have any of these so-called bad apples? Is it your responsibility to do something about the one bad cop two towns over? Take a large department for instance - you might be on the same force as a bad cop, yet you work different shifts in a different part of the city and have never even met the guy. Besides, at what point is an officer complicit in police abuses? What does it mean to "police your own" as a cop? What are they supposed to do, exactly? Some seem to suggest that being a police officer should require you to investigate your coworkers and report them for suspected wrongdoing.
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If you think about it from a general human resources sense, employees run that gamut between 'good' and 'bad' in all businesses and all walks of life. Very few are good, very few are bad, most are in the middle. The good ones do what they can to remain good, the bad ones don't care enough to get good. The folks in the middle may or not become good or bad depending on their coworkers and leadership.
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There's definitely some of that, but I do understand the culture in ways that (I'm guessing) a lot of folks cannot. You're operating in a system that fosters an us-versus-them mentality and it's a natural response. As corrections officers, everything we did was on paper (reports) and video. If anything went wrong or if something exposed the state to a lawsuit, the administration would go through the actions of officers - most of time folks who did absolutely nothing wrong - with a fine toothed comb. They'd identify some picayune and minuscule policy violation (that may or may not even be true) and seek to place blame. The whole reason I got involved in the union at first was to try to fight back against the waves of illegitimate discipline my coworkers faced on a regular basis. Part of the thin blue line comes from the institutional hierarchy and how the cops at the bottom shoulder the blame. Again, it's the whole structure that needs change - it irritates me when you see a former police chief get on the news and decry the thin blue line, when in fact you know he/she was directly responsible for creating that environment in the first place.
Absolutely agree and that is one of, if not the, primary reason my singer quit the force. The politics is staggering and wasn't helped by him being the union rep for the department.

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I don't think this part is unreasonable. That's part of what a cops' job is. Investigate suspected criminals (regardless of profession).
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I don't think this part is unreasonable. That's part of what a cops' job is. Investigate suspected criminals (regardless of profession).
I disagree with this, although I think we're in the same general area. Cops should be expected to be truthful and forthcoming in investigations and not to perjure themselves when covering for one another. I just don't think they should be doing extra work trying to uncover the misdeeds of fellow officers. If they see or find something during the course of their duties, that's one thing, but they shouldn't be actively trying to weed out those who may or may not be "bad cops".

I look at it this way. I'm not rifling through my coworkers' desks just to see if anyone is stealing office supplies or has a bottle of Schnapps in their bottom drawer so I can snitch to management. If I happen to come across a coworker doing something illegal or grossly unethical, that's different, but I'm not going to go searching for something.
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I disagree with this, although I think we're in the same general area. Cops should be expected to be truthful and forthcoming in investigations and not to perjure themselves when covering for one another. I just don't think they should be doing extra work trying to uncover the misdeeds of fellow officers. If they see or find something during the course of their duties, that's one thing, but they shouldn't be actively trying to weed out those who may or may not be "bad cops".

I look at it this way. I'm not rifling through my coworkers' desks just to see if anyone is stealing office supplies or has a bottle of Schnapps in their bottom drawer so I can snitch to management. If I happen to come across a coworker doing something illegal or grossly unethical, that's different, but I'm not going to go searching for something.
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Internal affairs is fine - that's their job. I just don't think your average officer should be doing IA's work for them. Let that department handle it. However, some see IA as part of the problem too, hence the much-maligned phrase "cleared after an internal investigation."

On a side note...

One of the reasons I can't get behind those police watchdog groups is that they're seemingly overrun with whackjobs. For example, you know the story I posted about the woman being given five traffic tickets for simply criticizing the way a cop was blocking traffic? Here's the top rated comment on the story:

Complaining about a ticket after you get it does not solve the problem. Killing this fucking Pig and his family helps to rectify the problem. Killing every fucking pig you ever see is the only correct Behavior.

Another poster rightfully calls this guy on that language, but then gets attacked while other posters chime in and support the crazy:

So you are having a fit because he said we should do to cops what they do to us? When the pigs break the law, guess what the first thing they do is? They threaten your family. Fair is fair but I'm not the one with the tiny brain, tiny penis, a big gun and an overpowered car (to compensate) who spends their days being domestic terrorists and extorting money from innocent people. I actually hope you and your family are next.


Another poster chimes in...

Are you retarded? The only way we are going to make America safer is by killing cops and their Families. They are the ones going round and murdering American Citizens


That's only a sampling of the gems on such websites (and their posts on facebook too).
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Internal affairs is fine - that's their job. I just don't think your average officer should be doing IA's work for them. Let that department handle it. However, some see IA as part of the problem too, hence the much-maligned phrase "cleared after an internal investigation."

On a side note...

One of the reasons I can't get behind those police watchdog groups is that they're seemingly overrun with whackjobs. For example, you know the story I posted about the woman being given five traffic tickets for simply criticizing the way a cop was blocking traffic? Here's the top rated comment on the story:

Complaining about a ticket after you get it does not solve the problem. Killing this fucking Pig and his family helps to rectify the problem. Killing every fucking pig you ever see is the only correct Behavior.

Another poster rightfully calls this guy on that language, but then gets attacked while other posters chime in and support the crazy:

So you are having a fit because he said we should do to cops what they do to us? When the pigs break the law, guess what the first thing they do is? They threaten your family. Fair is fair but I'm not the one with the tiny brain, tiny penis, a big gun and an overpowered car (to compensate) who spends their days being domestic terrorists and extorting money from innocent people. I actually hope you and your family are next.


Another poster chimes in...

Are you retarded? The only way we are going to make America safer is by killing cops and their Families. They are the ones going round and murdering American Citizens


That's only a sampling of the gems on such websites (and their posts on facebook too).
You can't cure stupid.
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Old 07-17-2017, 05:22 PM   #4318
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Posted in politics as well: Sessions wants to increase asset forfeiture, because of course he does.
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Old 07-17-2017, 05:50 PM   #4319
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Very true. It's just hard to get a good image across when the majority of your vocal user base is the aforementioned.

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Posted in politics as well: Sessions wants to increase asset forfeiture, because of course he does.
Ugh. From a link in that article, Law enforcement took more stuff from people than burglars did [in 2014].

I've stated my position on this before, but I don't have a problem with asset forfeiture... provided they can prove said assets are a direct result of the crime of which you were convicted.

For example, ironfist and King Kashue rob a bank together. If we get caught and get convicted or plead guilty, they can take our stuff if they can prove we paid for it with the proceeds of the robbery. If they cannot, too bad.

Again, I agree that criminals shouldn't get to keep the profits from their crimes, but they need due process. I'd rather a bunch of criminals keep their ill-gotten-gains than one person gets robbed of his/her legitimately earned assets.
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