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Old 02-08-2012, 12:31 PM   #91
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Why would people talk shit about FF/EMS?
Because of those stupid sexy calendars
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Old 02-08-2012, 12:32 PM   #92
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Why would people talk shit about FF/EMS?
Because they have lights on teh vehiclz and like to drive fast.
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Old 02-08-2012, 12:32 PM   #93
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Old 02-08-2012, 12:33 PM   #94
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You know, the rogues that start fires and cause car crashes to create "work" for themselves.
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Why would people talk shit about FF/EMS?
I've discussed local fire with people who bitch about the money spent "for guys to sit around and watch tv" and bitching because they take the firetrucks to the market, or bank or whatever else they need to do during the day. Fact is, (and I know firemen) they keep the crew together and ready so if there's a fire, they can go right from wherever they are.
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Old 02-08-2012, 12:36 PM   #96
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I've discussed local fire with people who bitch about the money spent "for guys to sit around and watch tv" and bitching because they take the firetrucks to the market, or bank or whatever else they need to do during the day. Fact is, (and I know firemen) they keep the crew together and ready so if there's a fire, they can go right from wherever they are.
I've heard stories of Fire Fighters and EMS folks get shot at in LA for showing up to accidents or fires in certain areas. They are all viewed as "authority" figures and are therefor not welcomed sometimes...
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Old 02-08-2012, 12:39 PM   #97
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I've discussed local fire with people who bitch about the money spent "for guys to sit around and watch tv" and bitching because they take the firetrucks to the market, or bank or whatever else they need to do during the day. Fact is, (and I know firemen) they keep the crew together and ready so if there's a fire, they can go right from wherever they are.
In fairness, there is a lot of sitting around and watching TV! I've never heard anyone bitch about the driving around thing though. Funny.

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I've heard stories of Fire Fighters and EMS folks get shot at in LA for showing up to accidents or fires in certain areas. They are all viewed as "authority" figures and are therefor not welcomed sometimes...
Yep. That's one of the first things we were taught in both my fire and EMT academies... If the situation looks dangerous you gotta wait for the boys in blue or drive off until it's under control. Apparently it's pretty common when trying to treat people during something like a domestic abuse, gang stabbing/shooting, etc.
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Old 02-08-2012, 01:10 PM   #98
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If you're going to call people out you could at least be a man about it and name-names and quote-quotes.
I wouldn't worry about it too much. He can't even answer simple questions asked of him. He would rather misdirect.
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Old 02-08-2012, 01:20 PM   #99
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When I was young I had some trouble with police because I acted like a douchebag asshole. When I stopped acting like a douchebag asshole, I stopped having trouble with police. So what do all people that have trouble with police have in common? How's that for "general"?
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Old 02-08-2012, 01:46 PM   #100
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I don't see why cops should be held to a 'higher standard'. We surely don't pay them like they should.
If this was true, we wouldn't have over a hundred qualified applicants trying to get every police officer job that comes up. I don't know if it's that way in other places, but it certainly is here in Minnesota. The fact that demand for police jobs exceeds supply by an incredibly wide margins proves that compensation isn't an issue.

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Cops have to deal with douche-bag assholes on a regular basis. Far more than any of us. And. For some police officers, their lives can be put at risk while at work. A stress that can be difficult to deal with.

I'm not excusing any police that aren't operating within reasonable and legal standards. I feel that if you're going to be a cop you should know all this up front and be ready to deal with it.

And. I think the ones that do hold themselves to a higher standard and are good at their jobs.
I agree with all of this, and there absolutely are cops who do the right thing and are good at their jobs.
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Old 02-08-2012, 01:47 PM   #101
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A month or so ago, I got hassled by a Norfolk cop while loading in for a gig. He didn't like that I parked on what he felt was the wrong side of a one way street(both sides were loading zones). He asked why I didn't park on the other side of the street where the other cars were parked so I didn't impede the flow of traffic and said under his breath, "If baffles the mind how stupid some people are." So I replied, "Oh, you mean right over there(pointing to the only available area on that side of the street), where the fire hydrant is. You're telling me that I'm stupid because I opted to park over here rather than block a fire hydrant? He told me that I had five minutes to move or he was going to ticket me despite the fact that I was in the bar's loading zone and in the process of unloading into that bar. True to his word, he came back five minutes later, but my car was already in the parking garage. At least he's an honest piece of shit.

So yeah, cops are only pig fucking douchebags to people who are fucked up.

I never have to deal with good cops because they leave me alone, as I'm a law abiding citizen. The only cops that ever talk to me are the pieces of shit that have no business wearing a badge.

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Old 02-08-2012, 01:55 PM   #102
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And it is not the job of any police force to protect you or anyone else from harm. It is not even possible to prevent most crimes before they happen.

That's a job for Spiderman.
Very true and something most people will never get. We would have to have 20 times the police officers at a minimum for any real crime prevention.

The police are there in large measure to investigate crimes and solve them. Make arrests so the DA can prosecute people.

Very rarely will they do crime prevention. Even traffic cops are not doing crime prevention. They are writing citations for people who are breaking the traffic laws.

So far as cops being assholes......some are and some aren't. I've known both kinds. There are people like that in any profession though. Strangeley, most of the really good cops I know are ex-military. They understand their role much better than many of the non-military guys in the job.

I think being a cop attracts a certain type of person though at times. The guy who wants to show what a tough guy he is. Little-man syndrome types. That way he can flaunt his authority with perceived immunity. Even my cop buddies admit these guys are out there and have no business being police officers.
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Same could be said about any person of authority. So apparently you have to be a real sociopath to be a moderator.
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So far as cops being assholes......some are and some aren't. I've known both kinds. There are people like that in any profession though. Strangeley, most of the really good cops I know are ex-military. They understand their role much better than many of the non-military guys in the job.
Really not surprising at all.
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I've heard stories of Fire Fighters and EMS folks get shot at in LA for showing up to accidents or fires in certain areas. They are all viewed as "authority" figures and are therefor not welcomed sometimes...
Actually, in many cases, if you have a cop and a firefighter at a scene, the firefighter is the one in charge of the scene. Not the cop. For many reasons. All of them good.

I actually cuffed a state trooper many years ago and launched him out of the back of my bus for trying to dig a wallet out of the back pocket of my accident victim who had spinal injuries and was on a back board.
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And by "military", he means real military, not Coast Guard.
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Don't short the Coast Guard! they are way more professional than the Rocky Mountains Guard!
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Actually, in many cases, if you have a cop and a firefighter at a scene, the firefighter is the one in charge of the scene. Not the cop. For many reasons. All of them good.
The reason that most of the time they are in charge nowadays is mainly due to a program called "ICS" or "Incident Command System". Most firemen are trained extensively in it, whereas cops get a brief introduction. Cops are there to enforce laws, not to run shit.
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The reason that most of the time they are in charge nowadays is mainly due to a program called "ICS" or "Incident Command System". Most firemen are trained extensively in it, whereas cops get a brief introduction. Cops are there to enforce laws, not to run shit.
Thanks to 9/11.
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The reason that most of the time they are in charge nowadays is mainly due to a program called "ICS" or "Incident Command System". Most firemen are trained extensively in it, whereas cops get a brief introduction. Cops are there to enforce laws, not to run shit.
ICS and TCT (Team Coordination Training).
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When I was in the academy my mom was married to an EPA bureaucrat and they both did emergency management and kept trying to get me to get into ICS as a career... No fucking thanks. I hated even the small exercises we had to do with just a few dozen people.
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And it is not the job of any police force to protect you or anyone else from harm. It is not even possible to prevent most crimes before they happen.
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Not likely. They are there as a crime investigation unit. Protect and serve is just a fancy, meaningless slogan at this point.
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Can't argue with that, no generalizations here ...
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Still waiting for an on-topic response from Vanlatte. Crickets still chirping away.
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